Talk:Revisionist Zionism
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follow up discrepancies
[edit]when following the links to some individuals mentioned in this article you will notice the extreme discrepancy in the pictures drawn about the characters in their own wiki. for example Aryeh Levin or Uri Zvi Greenberg... e.g. Aryeh Levin wiki is litteraly praising him for his "exemplary character traits":
"Reb Aryeh was known for his sublime character traits of "humility, kindness, and respect for all." "Reb Aryeh was humble toward everyone. He treated everyone he met with love, respect, and dignity."[6] "He saw only the good in human beings, even those for whom others rarely had a kind word."[7] "Reb Aryeh Levin was perpetually involved with deeds of charity and helping the poor."[8] " "Reb Aryeh fulfilled the Talmudic law that "One must love his wife like himself, and honor and respect her more than himself." Once Rabbi Aryeh Levin’s wife felt pain in her foot. They went to the doctor together whereupon the doctor asked, "What can I do for you?" Rabbi Levin answered in all sincerity, "Doctor my wife’s foot is hurting us.""
this seems to be in contrast with his encouragement of selfdescribed facists?
further it seems there there are edit wars going on in favour of erasing any link to revisionist zionism, e.g. see the talk page of Uri_Zvi_Greenberg — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.51.13.19 (talk) 09:45, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
maybe someone is able to make a more visible connection to Lehi and revisionist zionist history in those wikis.
Kach
[edit]I just went through this doing a general copy edit and came across "However, the left-wing part of Kach also claimed to be the inheritors of Revisionist Zionism—" This may be my ignorance, but "left-wing part of Kach" sounds to me like "the Jewish part of the Russian imperial family". Was there a "left-wing part of Kach"? Who would that have been? What did they stand for? -- Jmabel | Talk 02:35, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
They stood for basically the Herut and Baruch Marzel
This needs a source. --Zero 08:35, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
- There is not enough at Baruch Marzel to give me a clue what this means politically. -- Jmabel | Talk 05:57, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
The Kach movement is not related to Revisionist Zionism, but to national religous messianism. Guy Montag 20:57, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
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Inserted main heading above. --Ludvikus (talk) 16:24, 5 May 2008 (UTC) "*Revisionist Zionism, a movement that argues the terms of the British Mandate in Palestine."[edit]Is that correct? That's what the Wikipedia:Disambiguation page says at Revisionism. --Ludvikus (talk) 15:23, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
"Revisionism (Zionism)"[edit]Ludvikus has suggested renaming this article "Revisionism (Zionism)". I think this is inappropriate. There is a Zionist movement called Revisionist Zionism. In a general context, I don't think anybody uses the word Revisionism by itself when they refer to Revisionist Zionism. (In a specifically Zionist context, one might speak of Revisionism or Revisionist but this is a shorthand, just as one might speak of Labor to mean Labor Zionism.) I don't think there's any chance that somebody who comes to Wikipedia looking for information about Revisionist Zionism will type Revisionism and expect to find an article about Revisionist Zionism — but per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (precision) and Wikipedia:Disambiguation, this is the only reason one might name an article "Revisionism (Zionism)". — Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs) 16:50, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
The above defines the issue(s) well, I think. Please give your view/vote below with a brief comment, beginning with either *Move, or Keep: --Ludvikus (talk) 17:23, 5 May 2008 (UTC) Voting[edit]
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Revisionist Zionism, briefly Revisionists, also Union of Zionist-Revisionists, later Likud
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That's a summary of my point. --Ludvikus (talk) 19:44, 5 May 2008 (UTC) I do not wish to participate in an Edit War[edit]One, single, editor persist in Reverting all my work. I will therefore, reproduce here, for archival purposes, what I hold to be the better opening (--Ludvikus (talk) 20:21, 5 May 2008 (UTC)):
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The issue now is essentially the above WP:DAB page. Let's stick to the issue & reach a consensus. --Ludvikus (talk) 23:04, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
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I now think the above is best. I think it conforms best to the usage, ordinary and scholarly, and it better distinguishes from what I believe are two WP:Neologisms remaining at Wikipedia, namely: Historical revisionism and Historical revisionism (negationism), which I think are (the latter) effectively covers for Historical Revisionism, Negationism and their subcategory, Holocaust denial. --Ludvikus (talk) 14:11, 8 May 2008 (UTC) Open discussion[edit]Please express your views below. --Ludvikus (talk) 14:11, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
"Over the years Israel has moved relentlessly towards the political right, towards an interpretation of Zionism known as Revisionism." [1]
What on earth?[edit]What on earth is happening here? This is the worst structured talk page I have ever seen. Is it a requested move or an argument about the disambiguation page? Regardless, the article is at the correct location (Revisionist Zionism), no question. пﮟოьεԻ 57 16:11, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Clearly ZIONIST-REVISIONIST MOVEMENT is the correct title. Reasonable editors please help out a fellow NPOV champion against this politically motivated hatchet job. -WikiSkeptic (talk) 18:33, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
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Archiving old messages
[edit]I just archived all threads that haven't had any responses since 2006. — Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs) 18:34, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
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I own (and am holding in my hands right now a scholarly reference work, an anthology):
"*The Revisionist party had been founded in 1925 bt Vladimir Jabotinsky to fight for a revision of the Zionist Executive's conciliatory attitude toward great Britain's whittling down of the Balfour promise, and to urge greater effort in the settling of Palestine."
The first book I open this morning : Sachar, Howard, A History of Israel. From the Rise of Zionism to our Time, Knopf, 3rd édition, 2007, (formely published 1976 and 1996) ISBN 9780375711329 has in the index p.1253 an entry for "Revisionist Zionism" with 15 differents references.
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This section needs to be expanded. Because it just dangles in the article as half a sentence there's confusion about this article. --Ludvikus (talk) 13:37, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
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map
[edit]Egypt is misspelled on the map. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.73.24.179 (talk) 16:43, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
Union of Army Veterans
[edit]Content is lacking on "Berit ha-Hayyal" (Hebrew: Union of Army Veterans), a Revisionist organization in Europe and Mandate Palestine of the 1920s and '30s. See Encyclopedia Judaica 14:129. -- Deborahjay (talk) 10:04, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
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Does it still exist?
[edit]I find the article a bit confusing in the lack of established clarity on whether revisionist Zionism continues to exist, or whether it was just a historically influential movement. Zanahary (talk) 21:05, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
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Link for Histadrut Susanod (talk) 14:06, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
Histadrut is already linked, and you did not follow the edit request format that would clarify your edit. Ogress 14:12, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
Already done Per MOS:DUPLINK only the first occurrence needs to be linked, and it already is. Jamedeus (talk) 18:37, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
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