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Categories for discussion (CfD) is the central venue for discussing specific proposals to delete, merge, rename or split categories and stub types in accordance with the guidelines for categorization, category naming and stub articles.
For detailed instructions about using CfD, see "How to use CfD" below. Briefly, nominations are handled through one of two processes:
- Speedy renaming and merging, for uncontroversial proposals that meet specified criteria—see "Speedy renaming and merging" below.
- Full discussion, for all other proposals. Discussions typically remain open for at least seven days and are closed once a rough consensus has formed or no objections to the nomination are raised.
Except in uncontroversial cases such as reverting vandalism, do not amend or depopulate a category once it has been nominated at CfD as this hampers other editors' efforts to evaluate a category and participate in the discussion.
When a category is renamed or merged with another category, in limited circumstances it may be helpful to leave an instance of the {{Category redirect|...}} template on the category's former page. See "Redirecting categories" below for more information.
Wikipedia:Move review can be used to contest the outcome of a CfD request that is limited in scope to renaming, as long as all steps are followed. If a discussion on the request closer's talk page does not resolve an issue, then a move review will evaluate the close of a CfD move discussion to determine whether or not the close was reasonable and consistent with the spirit and intent of common practice, policies, and guidelines. CfDs involving deletion should be reviewed at Wikipedia:Deletion review.
Scope
[edit]CfD is intended only for specific proposals to delete, merge, rename or split categories or stub types. For general discussion about how to improve the category system, use other appropriate venues such as Wikipedia talk:Categorization, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Categories, and any relevant WikiProjects' talk pages.
Current discussions
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Discussions awaiting closure
[edit]- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 December 1 (1 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 November 24 (1 open)
See also the list of individual discussions awaiting closure here and the list of full open discussions awaiting closure here.
How to use CfD
[edit]Nomination procedure
[edit]Twinkle
[edit]You may use Twinkle to facilitate CfD nominations. To install Twinkle, go to Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets and check "Twinkle" in the "Browsing" section. Use the now-installed "XfD" (Start a deletion discussion) tab while viewing the page you want to nominate.
Twinkle only allows you to nominate a single category or stub template. For bundled nominations including multiple categories, see § MassCFD.
MassCFD
[edit]You can use the script User:Qwerfjkl/scripts/massXFD to automatically make mass nominations.
Manual nominations
[edit]I | Preliminary steps.
Before nominating a category:
In the following special cases:
For further information, see Wikipedia:Categorization and Wikipedia:Manual of Style. |
II | Edit the category.
Add one of the following templates at the beginning of the category page (not the talk page) of every category to be discussed. For nominations involving large numbers of categories, help adding these templates can be requested here.
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III | Create the CFD section.
Click THIS LINK to edit the section of CfD for today's entries. Follow the instructions (visible in edit mode) to copy and paste one of the templates below. When inserting category names into these template's parameters, except the
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Stub types
[edit]I | Preliminary steps.
In general, a stub type consists of a stub template and a dedicated stub category. Before nominating a stub type for deletion, merging or renaming:
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II | Edit the template.
Add one of the following tags at the beginning of the template to be discussed.
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III | Create the CFD section.
Click THIS LINK to edit the section of CfD for today's entries. Follow the instructions (visible in edit mode) and paste the following text (remember to update the default parameters):
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Notifying interested projects and editors
[edit]In addition to the steps listed above, you may choose to invite participation by editors who are likely to be informed about a nominated category. All such efforts must comply with Wikipedia's guideline against biased canvassing. In addition, to help make your messages about the CfD discussion clear, avoid Wikipedia-specific abbreviations, link to relevant policies or guidelines, and link to the discussion itself.
- Notifying related WikiProjects
WikiProjects consist of groups of editors who are interested in a particular subject. If a nominated category is within the scope of one or more WikiProjects, consider adding a brief, neutral note on their talk page(s) about the nomination. You may use {{subst:cfd notice|Category name|2024 December 9|CfD section name}} ~~~~
or write a personalized message.
Tagging the nominated category's talk page with a relevant WikiProject's banner will include the category in that WikiProject's Article Alerts if they subscribe to the system. For instance, tagging a nominated category with {{WikiProject Physics}} will add the discussion to Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Article alerts.
- Notifying substantial contributors to the category
While not required, it is generally considered courteous to notify the good-faith creator and main contributors of the category that you are nominating for discussion. To find the creator and main contributors, check the category's page history or talk page. You may use {{Cfd notice}}
to inform the category's creator and all other editors.
- Notifying other interested editors
It may be helpful to invite other subject-matter experts by posting a message on the talk page of the most closely related article, such as Protein family for Category:Protein families. You may use {{Cfdnotice}}
for this.
Closing procedure
[edit]After seven days, someone will close the discussion according to the consensus that formed or, if needed, relist it to allow more discussion. Editors closing discussions must follow the administrator instructions and, except in the case of a "keep" or "no consensus" outcome, implement the result or log it at the Working page to ensure it is implemented.
Redirecting categories
[edit]In general, an unpopulated category should be deleted (see speedy deletion criterion C1) because it is not useful for navigation and sorting. In limited circumstances, and because categories cannot be redirected using "hard" redirects (i.e. #REDIRECT[[''target'']]
), we use a form of "soft redirect" to solve the issue. You can create a category redirect by adding {{Category redirect|target}}
to the category page. Bots patrol these categories and move articles into the "redirect" targets.
In particular, category redirects are used at the former category name when we convert hyphens into en dashes (e.g. Category:Canada-Russia relations → Category:Canada–Russia relations). It is also helpful to set up category redirects from titles with plain letters (i.e. characters on a standard keyboard) where the category names include diacritics.
A list of redirected categories is available at Category:Wikipedia soft redirected categories.
Speedy renaming and merging
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Speedy renaming or speedy merging of categories may be requested only if they meet a speedy criterion, for example WP:C2D (consistency with main article's name) or WP:C2C (consistency with established category tree names). Please see instructions below.
- Determine which speedy criterion applies
- Tag category page with
{{subst:cfr-speedy|New name}}
or{{subst:cfm-speedy|Merge target}}
- List request along with speedy criteria reason under "Current requests" below on this page
Please note that a speedy request must state which of the narrowly defined criteria strictly applies. Hence, any other non-speedy criteria, even "common sense" or "obvious", may be suitable points, but only at a full discussion at WP:Categories for discussion.
Requests may take 48 hours to process after listing if there are no objections. This delay allows other users to review the request to ensure that it meets the speedy criteria for speedy renaming or merging, and to raise objections to the proposed change.
Categories that qualify for speedy deletion (per Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion, e.g., "patent nonsense", "recreation") can be tagged with the regular speedy tags, such as {{db|reason}}
with no required delay. Empty categories can be deleted if they remain empty 7 days after tagging with {{db-empty}}. Renaming under C2E may also be processed instantly (at the discretion of an administrator) as it is a variation on G7.
To oppose a speedy request you must record your objection within 48 hours of the nomination. Do this by inserting immediately under the nomination:
- Oppose, (the reasons for your objection). ~~~~
You will not be able to do this by editing the page WP:Categories for discussion. Instead, you should edit the section WP:Categories for discussion#Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here or the page WP:Categories for discussion/Speedy#Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here (WP:CFDS). Be aware that in the course of any discussion, the nomination and its discussion may get moved further down the page purely for organizational convenience – you may need to search WP:CFDS to find the new location. Participate in any ongoing discussion, but unless you withdraw your opposition, a knowledgeable person may eventually bring forward the nomination and discussion to become a regular CFD discussion. At that stage you may add further comments, but your initial opposition will still be considered. However, if after seven days there has been no support for the request, and no response from the nominator, the request may be dropped from further consideration as a speedy.
Contested speedy requests become stale, and can be untagged and delisted after 7 days of inactivity. Optionally, if the discussion may be useful for future reference, it may be copied to the category talk page, with a section heading and {{moved discussion from|[[WP:CFDS]]|2=~~~~}}
. If the nominator wants to revive the process, this may be requested at WP:Categories for discussion (CfD) in accordance with its instructions.
If you belatedly notice and want to oppose a speedy move that has already been processed, contact one of the admins who process the Speedy page. If your objection seems valid, they may reverse the move, or start a full CFD discussion.
Speedy criteria
[edit]The category-specific criteria for speedy renaming, or merging are strictly limited to:
C2A: Typographic and spelling fixes
[edit]- Correction of spelling errors and capitalization fixes. Differences between British and American spelling (e.g. Harbours → Harbors) are not considered errors; however if the convention of the relevant category tree is to use one form over the other then a rename may be appropriate under C2C. If both spellings exist as otherwise-identical category names, they should be merged.
- Appropriate conversion of hyphens into en dashes or vice versa (e.g. Category:Canada-Russia relations → Category:Canada–Russia relations).
- Correction of obvious grammatical errors, such as a missing conjunction (e.g. Individual frogs toads → Individual frogs and toads). This includes pluralizing a noun in the name of a set category, but not when disagreement might reasonably be anticipated as to whether the category is a topic or set category.
C2B: Consistency with established Wikipedia naming conventions and practices
[edit]- Expanding abbreviated country names (e.g. U.S. → United States).
- Disambiguation fixes from an unqualified name (e.g. Category:Washington → Category:Washington (state) or Category:Washington, D.C.).
C2C: Consistency with established category tree names
[edit]Bringing a category into line with established naming conventions for that category tree, or into line with the various "x by y", "x of y", or "x in y" categorization conventions specified at Wikipedia:Category names
- This should be used only where there is no room for doubt that the category in question is being used for the standard purpose instead of being a potential subcategory.
- This criterion should be applied only when there is no ambiguity or doubt over the existence of a category naming convention. Such a convention must be well defined and must be overwhelmingly used within the tree. If this is not the case then the category in question must be brought forward to a full Cfd nomination.
- This criterion will not apply in cases where the category tree observes distinctions in local usage (e.g. Category:Transportation in the United States and Category:Transport in the United Kingdom).
C2D: Consistency with main article's name
[edit]- Renaming a topic category to match its eponymous page (e.g. Category:The Beatles and The Beatles).
- This applies only if the related page's current name (and by extension, the proposed name for the category) is:
- unambiguous (so it generally does not apply to proposals to remove a disambiguator from the category name, even when the main article is the primary topic of its name, i.e. it does not contain a disambiguator); and
- uncontroversial, either because of longstanding stability at that particular name, or because the page was just moved (i) after a page move discussion resulted in explicit consensus to rename, or (ii) unilaterally to reflect an official renaming which is verified by one or more citations (provided in the nomination). C2D does not apply if the result would be contrary to guidelines at WP:CATNAME, or there is any ongoing discussion about the name of the page or category, or there has been a recent discussion concerning any of the pages that resulted in a no consensus result, or it is controversial in some other way.
- This criterion may also be used to rename a set category in the same circumstances, where the set is defined by a renamed topic; e.g. players for a sports team, or places in a district.
- Before nominating a category to be renamed per WP:C2D, consider whether it makes more sense to move the article instead of the category.
C2E: Author request
[edit]- This criterion applies only if the author of a category requests or agrees to renaming within six months of creating the category.
- The criterion does not apply if other editors have populated or changed the category since it was created. "Other editors" includes bots that populated the category, but excludes an editor working with the author on the renaming.
C2F: One eponymous page
[edit]- This criterion applies if the category contains only an eponymous article, list, template or media file, provided that the category has not otherwise been emptied shortly before the nomination. The default outcome is an upmerge to the parent categories, where applicable. Nominations should use
{{subst:cfm-speedy}}
(speedy merger) linking to a suitable parent category, or to another appropriate category (e.g. one that is currently on the article). When listing the nomination at WP:CFDS, you must manually add all the appropriate parent categories as targets if the member page is not already in them.
Admin instructions
[edit]When handling the listings:
- Make sure that the listing meets one of the above criteria.
- With the exception of C2E, make sure that it was both listed and tagged at least 48 hours previously.
- Make sure that there is no opposition to the listing; if there is a discussion, check if the opposing user(s) ended up withdrawing their opposition.
If the listing meets these criteria, simply have the category renamed or merged – follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Administrator instructions, in the section "If the decision is to Rename, Merge, or Delete"; to list it for the bots, use the Speedy moves section.
Applying speedy criteria in full discussions
[edit]- A nomination to merge or rename, brought forward as a full CfD, may be speedily closed if the closing administrator is satisfied that:
- The nomination clearly falls within the scope of one of the criteria listed here, and
- No objections have been made within 48 hours of the initial nomination.
- If both these conditions are satisfied, the closure will be regarded as having been a result of a speedy nomination. If any objections have been raised then the CfD nomination will remain in place for the usual 7-day discussion period, to be decided in accordance with expressed consensus.
Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here
[edit]If the category and desired change do not match one of the criteria mentioned in C2, do not list it here. Instead, list it in the main CFD section.
If you are in any doubt as to whether it qualifies, do not list it here.
Use the following format on a new line at the beginning of the list:
* [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~
If the current name should be redirected rather than deleted, use:
* REDIRECT [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~
To note that human action is required, e.g. updating a template that populates the category, use:
* NO BOTS [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~
Remember to tag the category page with: {{subst:cfr-speedy|New name}}
A request may be completed if it is more than 48 hours old; that is, if the time stamp shown is earlier than 06:10, 7 December 2024 (UTC). Currently, there are 162 open requests (. )
Administrators and page movers: Do not use the "Move" tab to move categories listed here!Categories are processed following the 48-hour waiting period and are moved by a bot. |
Current requests
[edit]Please add new requests at the top of the list, preferably with a link to the parent category (in case of C2C) or relevant article (in case of C2D).
- Category:People from Yeniseyk to Category:People from Yeniseysk – C2A: and C2D per Yeniseysk; see request on my talk page. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:56, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Saint Boniface, Winnipeg to Category:St. Boniface, Winnipeg – C2D: "St. Boniface" is the standard form in English (unlike French, where it is usually spelt out in full and hyphenated). This is also in line with other similarly named neighbourhoods and former municipalities in Winnipeg (i.e. St. James and St. Vital). Graham (talk) 23:55, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Cisleithanian legislative elections to Category:Legislative elections in Cisleithania – C2C per all other categories in Category:Parliamentary elections by country. Number 57 22:51, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Online colleges to Category:Online universities and colleges in the United States – C2B & C2C: Category is primarily about online colleges and universities in the United States. And aligns consistency with parent category Category: Online universities and colleges RA0808 talkcontribs 22:38, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Persian physicists to Category:Ancient Persian physicists – C2C: parents are Ancient Persian people and Iranian physicists. Category:Persian people has a disclaimer that "historic Persian people use Ancient Persian people (before AD 500) or Medieval Iranian people (AD 500 to AD 1500)" SMasonGarrison 20:24, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Category:CSD warning templates to Category:Speedy deletion warning templates – C2D: parent is Category:Speedy deletion templates. Gonnym (talk) 17:43, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ancient roman religious practices to Category:Ancient Roman religious practices – C2A: Fixing capitalization by a new user SMasonGarrison 16:23, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Resident Commissioners in Swaziland to Category:Resident commissioners in Swaziland – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 11:26, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Resident Commissioners in Basutoland to Category:Resident commissioners in Basutoland – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 11:25, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Resident Commissioners in Zululand to Category:Resident commissioners in Zululand – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 11:23, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Resident Commissioners in Southern Rhodesia to Category:Resident commissioners in Southern Rhodesia – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 11:22, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Resident Commissioners of the New Hebrides (France) to Category:Resident commissioners of the New Hebrides (France) – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 11:19, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Resident Commissioners of the New Hebrides (United Kingdom) to Category:Resident commissioners of the New Hebrides (United Kingdom) – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 11:18, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Resident Commissioners of Puerto Rico to Category:Resident commissioners of Puerto Rico – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 11:16, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Resident Commissioners of the Cook Islands to Category:Resident commissioners of the Cook Islands – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES WikiEditor50 (talk) 11:13, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Boeing eVTOL to Category:Boeing NeXt aircraft – C2C: Standard naming format for aircraft by manufacturer categories. Also C2D Boeing NeXt. The Bushranger One ping only 05:51, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Category:St. Louis Gateway Film Critics Association Awards to Category:St. Louis Film Critics Association Awards – C2D: Move to match title of main article St. Louis Film Critics Association Οἶδα (talk) 05:14, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Healthcare in the United States by state to Category:Healthcare in the United States by state or territory – C2C: parent is Health in the United States by state or territory SMasonGarrison 03:58, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Category:2000 in the Democratic Republic of the Congo sport to Category:2000 in Democratic Republic of the Congo sport – C2A: "the" before "Democratic" is incorrect in this case 1857a (talk) 03:08, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Category:2003 in the Democratic Republic of the Congo sport to Category:2003 in Democratic Republic of the Congo sport
- Category:2004 in the Democratic Republic of the Congo sport to Category:2004 in Democratic Republic of the Congo sport
- Category:2008 in the Democratic Republic of the Congo sport to Category:2008 in Democratic Republic of the Congo sport
- Category:2009 in the Democratic Republic of the Congo sport to Category:2009 in Democratic Republic of the Congo sport
- Category:2010 in the Democratic Republic of the Congo sport to Category:2010 in Democratic Republic of the Congo sport
- Category:2011 in the Democratic Republic of the Congo sport to Category:2011 in Democratic Republic of the Congo sport
- Category:2012 in the Democratic Republic of the Congo sport to Category:2012 in Democratic Republic of the Congo sport
- Category:2013 in the Democratic Republic of the Congo sport to Category:2013 in Democratic Republic of the Congo sport
- Category:2014 in the Democratic Republic of the Congo sport to Category:2014 in Democratic Republic of the Congo sport
- Category:2015 in the Democratic Republic of the Congo sport to Category:2015 in Democratic Republic of the Congo sport
- Category:2016 in the Democratic Republic of the Congo sport to Category:2016 in Democratic Republic of the Congo sport
- Category:2017 in the Democratic Republic of the Congo sport to Category:2017 in Democratic Republic of the Congo sport
- Category:2018 in the Democratic Republic of the Congo sport to Category:2018 in Democratic Republic of the Congo sport
- Category:2019 in the Democratic Republic of the Congo sport to Category:2019 in Democratic Republic of the Congo sport
- Category:2021 in the Democratic Republic of the Congo sport to Category:2021 in Democratic Republic of the Congo sport
- Category:2022 in the Democratic Republic of the Congo sport to Category:2022 in Democratic Republic of the Congo sport
- Category:2023 in the Democratic Republic of the Congo sport to Category:2023 in Democratic Republic of the Congo sport
- Category:2024 in the Democratic Republic of the Congo sport to Category:2024 in Democratic Republic of the Congo sport
- Category:Mayors of places in Gambia to Category:Mayors of places in the Gambia – C2A. 1857a (talk) 02:58, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Catholic Church in Abkhazia to Category:Catholic Church in Asia – C2F. SMasonGarrison 01:44, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Telecommunications in the Republic of Ireland to Category:Telecommunications in Ireland – "Republic of Ireland" is the description of Ireland, while "Ireland" is the name of the country. (Article 4 of the Constitution of Ireland declares that the name of the state is Ireland; Section 2 of the Republic of Ireland Act 1948 declares that Republic of Ireland is "the description of the State") Both have different pages though both pages convey the same country. TattooedLeprechaun|🗣️💬 23:25, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - part of an established tree under Category:Republic of Ireland, which states Category:Ireland covers both the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland and deals with topics relating to the two jurisdictions on the island of Ireland.. This category is strictly for the country of Ireland, not the island of Ireland, and thus "Republic of Ireland" is the correct name. - The Bushranger One ping only 23:37, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Filipino military aviation to Category:Philippine military aviation – C2B: "Filipino is used for people, but Philippine for other categories."/MOS:PHIL The Bushranger One ping only 22:56, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- Category:IHC Apes players to Category:SG Apes players – C2E. HanTsî (talk) 18:15, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Croatian Popular Party politicians to Category:Croatian Popular Party (1997) politicians – C2B: No primary topic in main space, ambiguous Joy (talk) 18:13, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:FM-Class United States articles of Low-importance to Category:FM-Class United States pages of Low-importance
- REDIRECT Category:FM-Class United States articles of NA-importance to Category:FM-Class United States pages of NA-importance
- REDIRECT Category:FM-Class United States articles of Top-importance to Category:FM-Class United States pages of Top-importance
- Leftovers from the speedy move of FM-class Foo articles to FM-class Foo pages. Possibly more coming.--Ymblanter (talk) 17:01, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- Category:WAG navigational boxes to Category:Warner Bros. Pictures Animation navigational boxes – C2D: per Warner Bros. Pictures Animation. 1857a (talk) 03:22, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- C2C - Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 November 22#Category:LGBTQ by continent and country. --MikutoH talk! 03:13, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- Merge Category:Same-sex marriage in Africa by country to Category:Same-sex marriage by country and Category:Same-sex marriage in Africa
- Merge Category:Same-sex marriage in Asia by country to Category:Same-sex marriage by country and Category:Same-sex marriage in Asia
- Merge Category:Same-sex marriage in Europe by country to Category:Same-sex marriage by country and Category:Same-sex marriage in Europe
- Merge Category:Same-sex marriage in North America by country to Category:Same-sex marriage by country and Category:Same-sex marriage in North America
- Merge Category:Same-sex marriage in Oceania by country to Category:Same-sex marriage by country and Category:Same-sex marriage in Oceania
- Merge Category:Same-sex marriage in South America by country to Category:Same-sex marriage in South America and Category:Same-sex marriage by country
- @MikutoH: oppose speedy, WP:C2C applies to renaming, not to merging. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:57, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- Category:2014–15 Canadian Interuniversity Sport season to Category:2014–15 CIS season – C2E. Consistent with titles of the articles in category. RedBlueGreen93 01:45, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- Category:2015–16 Canadian Interuniversity Sport season to Category:2015–16 CIS season – C2E. Consistent with titles of the articles in category. RedBlueGreen93 01:45, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Wikipedia meetups in Darwin to Category:Wikipedia meetups in Darwin, Northern Territory – C2D: per Darwin, Northern Territory. 1857a (talk) 00:44, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Wide World of Sports (American TV series) to Category:Wide World of Sports (American TV program) – C2D: per Wide World of Sports (American TV program). 1857a (talk) 00:24, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- Category:RAAF crests to Category:Royal Australian Air Force crests – C2D: per Royal Australian Air Force. 1857a (talk) 00:19, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Hip hop to Category:Hip-hop – C2D: Per Talk:Hip-hop#Requested move 23 November 2024. There are several hundreds more categories with "hip hop" in the title, but I probably won't have time to get to those right now. Maybe someone else will be kind enough to tag those for CFDS (and if not, it's not that of a big deal). InfiniteNexus (talk) 00:17, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose renaming the top category only. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:00, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
Opposed requests
[edit]- Category:Hostage taking to Category:Hostage-taking – C2A: it's "hostage-taking", isn't it? There are numerous subcats, but I'll wait marking them for renaming, pending reactions to this one. HandsomeFella (talk) 15:30, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. "Hostage Taking" is also fine. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 17:12, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
- Well, they also capitalize "Taking", and we don't follow that. Maybe there's a better source, one that's actually about spelling and such. HandsomeFella (talk) 12:00, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- C2A is only for clear errors; debatable cases like this would need a full discussion. – Fayenatic London 12:16, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Well, they also capitalize "Taking", and we don't follow that. Maybe there's a better source, one that's actually about spelling and such. HandsomeFella (talk) 12:00, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. "Hostage Taking" is also fine. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 17:12, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
On hold pending other discussion
[edit]- Category:Moroccan Berber politicians to Category:Berber Moroccan politicians – C2C: parent is Berber Moroccans SMasonGarrison 23:13, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Hold pending discussion of parent at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_December_6#Berbers_by_nationality. – Fayenatic London 12:29, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Sounds good to me :) SMasonGarrison 12:45, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Hold pending discussion of parent at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_December_6#Berbers_by_nationality. – Fayenatic London 12:29, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Category:John Brown sites to Category:John Brown (abolitionist) sites – C2D: per John Brown (abolitionist). 1857a (talk) 19:13, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
- This category has been nominated for merging at CfD. 1857a (talk) 04:42, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Sailing clubs in New York (state) to Category:Yacht clubs in New York (state) – C2C: parent is Yacht clubs in the United States SMasonGarrison 01:55, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Sailing clubs in Georgia (U.S. state) to Category:Yacht clubs in Georgia (U.S. state)ó
- Category:Sailing clubs in Alabama to Category:Yacht clubs in Alabama
- Category:Sailing clubs in Florida to Category:Yacht clubs in Florida
- Category:Sailing clubs in Connecticut to Category:Yacht clubs in Connecticut
- Category:Sailing clubs in Colorado to Category:Yacht clubs in Colorado
- Oppose speedy Except 2 of the 24 subcategories of Category:Yacht clubs in the United States use "Sailing clubs" instead "Yacht clubs", thus per C2C it would make more sense to rename that instead. Armbrust The Homunculus 13:21, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose the sport is called sailing not yachting. The sport even changed it name in 1996 with the IOC. I set most of these categories up. Lets do the change the other way round. Yachty4000 (talk) 20:54, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- An opposite proposal is now at full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:42, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- Category:United States–European Union relations to Category:European Union–United States relations – C2D: and C2C (cousins). Web-julio (talk) 23:06, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Fiji–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Fiji relations
- Category:The Gambia–European Union relations to Category:European Union–the Gambia relations
- Category:Georgia (country)–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Georgia (country) relations
- Category:Greenland–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Greenland relations
- Category:Guatemala–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Guatemala relations
- Category:Guyana–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Guyana relations
- Category:Holy See–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Holy See relations
- Category:Iceland–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Iceland relations
- Category:India–European Union relations to Category:European Union–India relations
- Category:Indonesia–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Indonesia relations
- Category:Iran–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Iran relations
- Category:Iraq–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Iraq relations
- Category:Israel–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Israel relations
- Category:Ivory Coast–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Ivory Coast relations
- Category:Jamaica–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Jamaica relations
- Category:Japan–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Japan relations
- Category:Jordan–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Jordan relations
- Category:Kazakhstan–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Kazakhstan relations
- Category:Kosovo–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Kosovo relations
- Category:Kyrgyzstan–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Kyrgyzstan relations
- Category:Lebanon–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Lebanon relations
- Category:Libya–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Libya relations
- Category:Liechtenstein–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Liechtenstein relations
- Category:Madagascar–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Madagascar relations
- Category:Malaysia–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Malaysia relations
- Category:Maldives–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Maldives relations
- Category:Mali–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Mali relations
- Category:Mauritania–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Mauritania relations
- Category:Mauritius–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Mauritius relations
- Category:Mexico–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Mexico relations
- Category:Micronesia–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Micronesia relations
- Category:Moldova–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Moldova relations
- Category:Monaco–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Monaco relations
- Category:Mongolia–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Mongolia relations
- Category:Montenegro–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Montenegro relations
- Category:Morocco–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Morocco relations
- Category:Namibia–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Namibia relations
- Category:Nepal–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Nepal relations
- Category:New Zealand–European Union relations to Category:European Union–New Zealand relations
- Category:Nicaragua–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Nicaragua relations
- Category:Niue–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Niue relations
- Category:North Korea–European Union relations to Category:European Union–North Korea relations
- Category:North Macedonia–European Union relations to Category:European Union–North Macedonia relations
- Category:Norway–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Norway relations
- Category:Pakistan–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Pakistan relations
- Category:Palau–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Palau relations
- Category:State of Palestine–European Union relations to Category:European Union–State of Palestine relations
- Category:Philippines–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Philippines relations
- Category:Qatar–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Qatar relations
- Category:Russia–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Russia relations
- Category:Samoa–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Samoa relations
- Category:San Marino–European Union relations to Category:European Union–San Marino relations
- Category:São Tomé and Príncipe–European Union relations to Category:European Union–São Tomé and Príncipe relations
- Category:Saudi Arabia–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Saudi Arabia relations
- Category:Serbia–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Serbia relations
- Category:Seychelles–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Seychelles relations
- Category:Sierra Leone–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Sierra Leone relations
- Category:Singapore–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Singapore relations
- Category:Somalia–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Somalia relations
- Category:South Africa–European Union relations to Category:European Union–South Africa relations
- Category:South Korea–European Union relations to Category:European Union–South Korea relations
- Category:Sri Lanka–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Sri Lanka relations
- Category:Switzerland–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Switzerland relations
- Category:Syria–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Syria relations
- Category:Taiwan–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Taiwan relations
- Category:Tanzania–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Tanzania relations
- Category:Tonga–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Tonga relations
- Category:Turkey–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Turkey relations
- Category:Turkmenistan–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Turkmenistan relations
- Category:Uganda–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Uganda relations
- Category:Ukraine–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Ukraine relations
- Category:Uzbekistan–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Uzbekistan relations
- Category:Venezuela–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Venezuela relations
- Category:Vietnam–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Vietnam relations
- Category:Yemen–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Yemen relations
- Category:Zambia–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Zambia relations
- Category:Zimbabwe–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Zimbabwe relations
- Commnet All European Union cats nominated are under the false impression that the EU is a country and that standard naming conventions apply. They don't. The EU is a multilateral organization. All categories nominated are under the proper naming convention. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 21:18, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Query @WikiCleanerMan: is this an objection to 'all of the above', then? - The Bushranger One ping only 23:09, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- No, they are not. In the case of some, many are C2D (such as the USA case). So shouldn't have a consistency with order? Because a category and some articles start with EU: European Union–Sudan relations, European Union–Turkey relations, and Category:European Union–Rwanda relations. Web-julio (talk) 23:11, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Yes. I object. There needs to be wider consensus and there is no consensus as in case in point from 2014 from the US article talk page. Country-EU relations title format as been the way for a long time and it isn't going to change without a wider discussion for the articles. Nominator is going backwards by starting wit categorizes. Alphabetical order is for countries. EU is not a country. African Union-European Union is fine because those are two organizations not countries that have relations. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:29, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- @WikiCleanerMan So should I start CFD now or someone else? Web-julio (talk) 00:55, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Web-julio you can if you want, but I don't think that it's going to be successful. I don't think that the rename is a good idea because having the country first is more helpful for navigation. As I've mentioned on your talk page, I think you need to slow down and learn more about categorization norms before making mass changes. SMasonGarrison 02:03, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- So are we gonna keep Rwanda? There's nothing to learn here as no consensus or policy was shown regarding this inconsistency. Web-julio (talk) 02:06, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- Ok, well, if you think you know everything about categories fine. But I already pointed out that demanding a policy/consensus be shown is not a good way to learn about categorization. SMasonGarrison 02:15, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- There is consistency. As in they already existed already long before you started editing Wikipedia. The Rwanda category has to be changed to it's proper name setting. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 02:56, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- @WikiCleanerMan The lack of consistency is why it would need to go to full. There is no need to bring account age into the conversation. SMasonGarrison 12:45, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- There is consistency. As in they already existed already long before you started editing Wikipedia. The Rwanda category has to be changed to it's proper name setting. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 02:56, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- Ok, well, if you think you know everything about categories fine. But I already pointed out that demanding a policy/consensus be shown is not a good way to learn about categorization. SMasonGarrison 02:15, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- So are we gonna keep Rwanda? There's nothing to learn here as no consensus or policy was shown regarding this inconsistency. Web-julio (talk) 02:06, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Web-julio you can if you want, but I don't think that it's going to be successful. I don't think that the rename is a good idea because having the country first is more helpful for navigation. As I've mentioned on your talk page, I think you need to slow down and learn more about categorization norms before making mass changes. SMasonGarrison 02:03, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- @WikiCleanerMan So should I start CFD now or someone else? Web-julio (talk) 00:55, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- Yes. I object. There needs to be wider consensus and there is no consensus as in case in point from 2014 from the US article talk page. Country-EU relations title format as been the way for a long time and it isn't going to change without a wider discussion for the articles. Nominator is going backwards by starting wit categorizes. Alphabetical order is for countries. EU is not a country. African Union-European Union is fine because those are two organizations not countries that have relations. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:29, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- None of these are countries either: Category:African Union–European Union relations. Web-julio (talk) 23:13, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Web-julio: you can move the discussion to CFD if you want to, in that case please re-tag the category pages. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:01, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle I think that since a RM is going on, we could wait. I guess that's why these weren't removed from here, right? Web-julio (talk) 18:44, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Web-julio: you can move the discussion to CFD if you want to, in that case please re-tag the category pages. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:01, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- Commnet All European Union cats nominated are under the false impression that the EU is a country and that standard naming conventions apply. They don't. The EU is a multilateral organization. All categories nominated are under the proper naming convention. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 21:18, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
Moved to full discussion
[edit]- Category:Man-eaters of India to Category:Man-eating animals of India – C2B: per Man-eating animal/Category:Man-eating animals. Armbrust The Homunculus 03:36, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- I think it should probably be Category:Man-eating animals in India. A small distinction, but "of" implies they are commonplace in India somehow. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 05:37, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- ..."of" is the standard for this sort of category. It has nothing to do with impling they're "commonplace". - The Bushranger One ping only 01:11, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- I am unsure what you mean by "the standard". The parent category is Category:Animal attacks in Uzb. "In" would appear to match up. mxnstrixxx (ᴛ) 10:17, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
- Moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:19, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- ..."of" is the standard for this sort of category. It has nothing to do with impling they're "commonplace". - The Bushranger One ping only 01:11, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- I think it should probably be Category:Man-eating animals in India. A small distinction, but "of" implies they are commonplace in India somehow. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 05:37, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Eastern Ukraine campaign to Category:Eastern front of the Russian invasion of Ukraine – C2D: per Eastern front of the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Family27390 (talk) 18:48, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Battles of the Eastern Ukraine campaign to Category:Battles of the Eastern front of the Russian invasion of Ukraine
- Oppose speedy Main article was only recently renamed and without discussion, thus C2D doesn't apply. Armbrust The Homunculus 19:31, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Battles of the Eastern Ukraine campaign to Category:Battles of the Eastern front of the Russian invasion of Ukraine
- Category:Northern Ukraine campaign to Category:Northern front of the Russian invasion of Ukraine – C2D: per Northern front of the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Family27390 (talk) 18:48, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Southern Ukraine campaign to Category:Southern front of the Russian invasion of Ukraine – C2D: per Southern front of the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Family27390 (talk) 18:48, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Battles of the Southern Ukraine campaign to Category:Battles of the Southern front of the Russian invasion of Ukraine
- Oppose speedy Main article was only recently renamed and without discussion, thus C2D doesn't apply. Armbrust The Homunculus 19:33, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Family27390: are you planning to move these to full discussion? Marcocapelle (talk) 18:03, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- Moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:16, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Battles of the Southern Ukraine campaign to Category:Battles of the Southern front of the Russian invasion of Ukraine
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