Talk:Edmonton Oilers

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Vandalism on losses

Either the number of losses for several seasons are wrong, or someone's vandalized the total number of losses - I added up all the losses according to the chart on the page and it totals 684 whereas the total at the bottom is 813. Could someone do another check for me.. I could be wrong, but for the time being I'm adjusting the loss totals to 684. Meesheek 23:52, 9 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Affiliation

Edmonton will be affiliated with just the Springfield Falcons, and no other AHL team, starting with the 2007-08 season (and during the summer as well). --Paploo 20:34, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your efforts and info about the affiliation, Paploo. However, since the context of that info is pretty much hearsay (having only one AHL team seems rather odd and out of place), we'll need a reputable web reference from either you or another user before we acknowledge it.Ohyeh 00:09, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

How's this [[1]]? Most teams have 1 AHL affiliate. The Oilers having 5 last year is the oddity. ccwaters

The oilers are now affiliated with only the springfield falcons, not other team. and most teams do only have 1 AHL affiliate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.151.126.87 (talk) 02:02, 8 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Captaincy for 2007-08

Does anybody have info on who could be the captain for next season (or if there will be a captain at all)? Possible candidates include Staios, Pisani, Horcoff, Moreau (all of whom wore an "A" last year), Sanderson (since he's a veteran of 16 seasons), and Souray (since he wore an "A" in Montreal). Even rumours would be helpful here. Thanx! Ohyeh 00:09, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ethan Moreau is the most likely choice (in my opinon); we'll have to wait until the Oilers make an official annoucement. GoodDay 21:32, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The captain was Ethan Moreau, and he will likely be again this season [1]--Skarsa72 (talk) 01:06, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Jersey Pictures

Need to be added for their current jerseys. Also, the team not having a mascot needs to be mentioned, seeing that it is rare and that theyre the only Canadian team not to have one. Love each other, or perish. ~Auden 00:50, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The jersey pictures are wrong. The 'Home' and 'Alt' are reversed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stoll Leigh (talk • contribs) 00:46, 1 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alternate Jersey is no longer used, needs to be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 153.2.247.32 (talk) 17:08, 29 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The stripes on the Away jersey are incorrect. The orange and blue have been reversed.24.86.182.42 (talk) 08:32, 27 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Alternate captains

Which one of the 'alternates' in injured & out of the lineup? first Souray (who's now injured), and now Reasoner is wearing a 'interim' A. GoodDay 18:11, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Figured it out now, the 'interim alternate' is a fifth A, filling in for Captain Ethan Moreau who's on IR. I think that's correct. GoodDay 18:15, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You reverted the linked version of the 'A' on Marty Reasoner with the comment "Reasoner is only a temporary captain" again. I find this confusing. Your edit doesn't change his captain label (it's an "A" either way), it only removes the link to the article about "Alternate captains". Why are you doing that? -- Bdoserror 22:11, 1 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The reason for removing the link for Reasoner's A? When Captain Moreau returns to the line-up, Reasoner won't have an A anymore; yet Hemsky, Horcoff, Staios and Stoll will keep their As. Also remember Souray filled in (the same way Reasoner is doing) until his injury. Yet Souray also wasn't a permanent A, that's why he lost it upon injury. GoodDay 23:15, 1 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

By keeping only the regular alternate captain's A linked, it help readers know which are the regulars & which aren't. GoodDay 23:20, 1 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, that was a subtle distinction I didn't realize was a standard. Is there a style guide for stuff like that? Maybe in the Wikiproject Hockey? -- Bdoserror 05:04, 2 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't a clue (to be honest), in fact this whole idea (unlinked letters) was my creation. The WikiProject has never commented on it (to my recollection). If you'd like, you can bring it to the WikiProject page & have my idea scrapped or adopted. Actually (upon reflection) I may bordered on Wikipedia: Ownership, hmm. If I were you I'd bring this up at Wikipedia: WikiProject Ice Hockey as I'm not sure of myself anymore. GoodDay 16:55, 2 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've brought it up at WikiProject, take a look. GoodDay 17:11, 2 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Robert Nilsson - Canadian or Swedish?

He was born in Canada, but he has played 2003, 2004, and 2005 World Junior Championships for Sweden's national side. I move towards consensus that his nationality is Swedish. Thanks P|^|C (talk) 09:03, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Swedish, and should be flagged as such. Alex Steen is likewise flagged as a Swede, while Robyn and Richie Regehr are flagged as Canadian on team rosters. Consensus thus far has been that the accident of being born in one location as a result of traveling parents doen't overrule a player's nationality on the international scene. Reso lute 03:04, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Another rule of thumb that is used; When a player is of American descent, but is born in Canada, he can play for the USA if Canada doesn't want him on their team. However, if he first plays an IIHF sanctioned tournament for Canada, he is Canadian from then on for any future tournaments, and can no longer play for the American side. Whichever country he first represents, will always be the nation he plays under. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.78.146.223 (talk) 19:28, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That is true of any dual citizen of any country. Not just americans/canadians. -DJSasso (talk) 19:33, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Major cleanup required

I happened to notice that a POV line was removed by an editor, and in doing so caught another: ("The team now looks to be a contender in the West.") I removed that, but this article is not in the best shape. It is suffering from a massive case of recentism, with the post-lockout seasons gaining as much coverage as 1983-2004 do. Much of these sections are poorly written, mixing prose with point form lists, and has a very definite bias to it. i.e.: "The biggest splash Kevin Lowe made in the off season was the significant attempts made to sign star forwards Marian Hossa and Jaromir Jagr." I'm hoping that someone with an interest in the Oilers will take an interest in rewriting sections of this article. Reso lute 03:15, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

2008-09

In this article, there is only one sentence about the Oilers 2008-09 season, and there is also a link to the main article about the season. What would be the best way to eventually make this a featured article: expanding this section, or removing the sentence and leaving only the link to the Oilers' 2008-09 season? Thanks. Alexanderovechkinfan (talk) 15:16, 14 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

IMO, neither. The sections for each season really hampers this article - the editor who added them certainly meant well, but in an article that attempts to convey nearly 40 years of history, all of these sections have become far too detailed. A lot of what is in this article should be moved to either the specific season articles, or to a new History of the Edmonton Oilers article with this one summarizing Edmonton's history at a higher level. Look at the history sections of New Jersey Devils and Calgary Flames for comparables that are current FAs. Ottawa Senators and Colorado Avalanche are GAs and are also close.

Taking an article to FA can be a challenging task. There are a lot of things that this article will need to get to that level beyond organizing the history. Best of luck with the attempt though - you've done good work with it so far. Let me know if/when you want or need some other pointers, as there are a lot of small issues that FA reviewers would catch that aren't always obvious. Cheers, Reso lute 18:35, 14 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Awards

Should I leave the section about Gretzky being ruled ineligible for the Calder Trophy and Art Ross Trophy in 1979-80 in or not? Alexanderovechkinfan (talk) 00:41, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'd say a sentence on it is fair. Reso lute 06:07, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Split of history

Time to start chopping the history section down to size. I've split off the text to the History of the Edmonton Oilers article as the Oilers article is too large according to WP:MOS standards. The history section in this article needs to be reduced to a summary of the history. I'll go ahead and work on it (I've done a similar thing for the Ottawa Senators article) but any help would be much appreciated. ʘ alaney2k ʘ (talk) 15:58, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That is what was being done before you moved it.... -DJSasso (talk) 16:00, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Missed the notice. Not a mistake to revert, though? ʘ alaney2k ʘ (talk) 16:53, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No worries. You are doing a great job. 10k knocked off already. :) -DJSasso (talk) 17:18, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Citations

I noticed that Wayne Gretzky's article, which is featured, gives the access date and title for citations. Is this necessary for a featured article, and, if so, what date should be used for access date (because I don't know all the access dates)? Alexanderovechkinfan (talk) 11:26, 2 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know that you have to have them. But basically if you want to get the access date for all of them, just go to them today and make sure they are still there. If they are still there then you can use today's date. It basically helps people know the information is current as of what date. If the page is no longer there then either try to find a new source or just leave it as is. -DJSasso (talk) 14:39, 2 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I can guarantee that that will be required information. For citations on featured articles, completeness and consistency are most important. If you mix the use of {{Citation}} and Cite x (i.e.: {{cite web}} and {{cite news}}), it will be noticed and someone will tell you to correct it.

The goal is to be as complete as possible. For web cites, the url, title, publisher, date (if available), accessdate and author (if known) will always be necessary.

{{citation}} is probably the best to use. For a web citation, something like:

{{citation |last=Doe |first=John |url=http://oilers.nhl.com |title=Oilers prepare for upcoming season |publisher=Edmonton Oilers Hockey Club |date=2010-09-17 |accessdate=2010-11-02}} will display as:
Doe, John (2010-09-17), Oilers prepare for upcoming season, Edmonton Oilers Hockey Club, retrieved 2010-11-02

For offline sources, say a newspaper story: {{citation |last=Rutherford |first=Alexander |title=Why the Eskimos are a very bad football team |work=Edmonton Daily Tabloid |date=2010-11-02 |page=A1}} appears as:
Rutherford, Alexander (2010-11-02), "Why the Eskimos are a very bad football team", Edmonton Daily Tabloid, p. A1

Note that if you are citing a book, magazine or newspaper source that you would use the work= parameter, as it will italicize the publication name. Web sources use publisher=. The citation template allows for the use of Harvard referencing if you extensively use a single book throughout an article. Good luck - it takes time getting used to the citation templates, and you will find that FA reviewers tend to be pedantic about it. Reso lute 16:54, 2 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

And I guess I should answer your other question... The access date is the date you actually read the online source. So as DJ notes, if you add a citation from a site today, then today is your accessdate. Reso lute 17:07, 2 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I will get to work on this. Alexanderovechkinfan (talk) 19:38, 2 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Another question. If an article lists the associated press as its writer, should I put that for the author or put nothing for an author? Alexanderovechkinfan (talk) 10:55, 3 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I leave the author field blank in that case. Reso lute 13:36, 3 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That's not right. The Associated Press -is- the author= in that case. Use the publisher= field for whatever newspaper or web site the article appears. ʘ alaney2k ʘ (talk) 18:19, 3 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I've never had an issue with leaving the author fields blank when there is no named writer. This is especially the case on CBC articles as well. Reso lute 22:23, 4 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I have another question: how do you cite a video? Alexanderovechkinfan (talk) 22:57, 3 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Depends. There is {{Cite video}}, but if you are using the {{Citation}} templates, that one is out. The Citation template doesn't seem to have specific syntax for video, but you could replace the |page= (or pages= if the cite of a work spans multiple pages) with |at= and make a note like |at=3:50 of the video. Note that YouTube generally is not a good source. Reso lute 22:27, 4 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Rivalries

I have two questions about the rivalries. First, is the rivalry with the Flames really one of the most storied rivalries in professional sports? Second, is the rivalry with the Canucks important enough to mention? Alexanderovechkinfan (talk) 23:04, 3 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You can claim the Battle of Alberta is "one of the most storied rivalaries" only if sources support it. I avoided a rivalries section on the Flames article, as other than the Battle of Alberta, all other rivalries really are transient. If I was writing this article, I would use the 1984 or 1986 season include a statement about the BOA rivalry, and forget the Canucks statement altogether. Reso lute 22:27, 4 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Lead

Thought I'd give the article a read as per its GAN and just as a suggestion, the lead needs some expansion in regards to NHL prose. The proportion of WHA to NHL info is weighted towards the former, which is not reflective of the article's significance. Maybe mention current gm, coach and captain? Notable players (ie. Gretzky)? Ownership? Orlandkurtenbach (talk) 03:23, 3 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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NPOV

Only trying to help, but you're going to have problems with a reviewer by including phrases like "The Oilers were mediocre", "sweeping the Winnipeg Jets", and "Gretsky stole the show" in the article.--andreasegde (talk) 08:31, 1 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Houston Oilers Vandalism

Im pretty sure the Oilers aren't moving to Houston for the 2011-12 season? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.188.222.227 (talk) 09:02, 30 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I hope they do! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.173.138.224 (talk) 00:49, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Mascot

"...do not have a mascot, making them one of only four NHL teams without one" appears to be inaccurate. The reference for the external link is dead and has been marked as such. The Detroit Red Wings, for one, do not have a mascot and there are probably several more. Tagged as disputed section and if no references are added, the "1 of 4" phrase will be removed. — MrDolomite • Talk 18:30, 15 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It is actually mostly correct. It was only out of date that it didn't take into account that Atlanta moved and it is unknown of the Jets will use their old mascot again. See List of NHL Mascots#Teams without a mascot. As for the Red Wings you are actually incorrect they do have one named Al the Octopus. -DJSasso (talk) 23:09, 15 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Spelling

Thank you to whomever it was for adding extra information about the 2010-11 season. I'm going to guess that you're an Amercian, but could you please remember that the Oilers are a Canadian hockey team and all spellings like "defence", "offence" and "centre" should be spelled as I've written here. Russ Jericho (talk) 17:30, 11 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Jersey v. sweater

I have never once known a hockey jersey to be referred to as a sweater (perhaps outside North America?). -Ice4Life aka Lindenfall (talk) 22:01, 29 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I mean, The Hockey Sweater is a legendary Canadian kid's book, but yes in common parlance I would think "jersey" is more commonly used relating to hockey than "sweater". Echoedmyron (talk) 22:07, 29 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Now, I've heard of it once, thanks. If sweater is its historical name, it should probably be included on a history of hockey page. (Maybe they once made them more like sweaters in the Great White North, but I've only heard "jersey" since I was begging for tickets to see The Great One on ice.) Lindenfall (talk) 19:30, 4 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sweater is the historical name for jerseys (early pond hockey, most jerseys were made out of thick wool sweaters). The internationalization of the game (also changes in jersey materials) is what led to people calling it jerseys. From what I've gathered (anecdotally), its sorta a topic whose camps are divided by nationality/age (Canada/rest of world; old/young). That said, for the Oilers article, I'd probably just use the term jersey (haven't looked into what is the more searched term, but I'd imagine jersey is the one more commonly searched). Leventio (talk) 21:49, 4 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Skaters not skill players

WHA teams were allowed to protect 2 skaters regardless of their talent. I tried changing this but it was reverted and I was told to write here. TheWriterBoy777 (talk) 00:34, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]